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Bit of politics there, my name's Ben Elton...

June 8th, 2016 (06:35 pm)

Okay, bit of a question. The whole EU referendum thing. I know which way I'll be voting, it's the same way I'd've voted if we'd had the referendum 30 years ago (except, caveat, I wasn't technically eligible to vote 30 years ago) - basically, for all my adult life I've long been a supporter of the notion of a united Europe - and, indeed, united world. Yes, there may be issues with the way the EU works in practice, but better (if that's the case) to be on the inside and work to change it from within. Yes, a united world may be hopelessly idealistic, but I'd rather be an idealist than a cynic. Depression's bad enough, without making it worse.

And I genuinely believe that everyone over 18 has a responsibility to vote. If you don't vote you have no right to complain that all politicians are just as bad as each other. If you genuinely can't find any candidate standing in your area who stands for your values and beliefs, then the short term answer is - spoil your ballot paper. Clearly write "none of the above". The long term answer is - get involved. Petition your local MP. Join the local branch of a party you support - help them out in some way. If it comes to it, stand for a position yourself. But at least, get out there and vote.

But I'm a bit confused, and I'd like an answer to a simple question. The EU referendum is being painted as the most important election we'll ever take part in. Which kind of makes it seem like it's some sort of irreversible decision.

Is it? I mean, I'd kind of assume that the state of international diplomacy in the 21st century is such that if a country's government makes a bad decision (such as deciding to be in the EU, and subsequently realising it should have decided to be out, or vice versa), it can actually, further down the line, decide to reverse that decision.

Or am I hopelessly wrong?


Posted by: gillo (gillo)
Posted at: June 8th, 2016 07:33 pm (UTC)
Be afraid

It'll take a generation either way. If (shudder) the Brexiteers win and it goes belly up, it will take a generation to get back in. And if Remain wins, the Brexiteers will try again, but not for a generation. I voted in the 'final' 1975 referendum.

I'm seriously frightened of what might happen if Boris, Gove and IDS win.

Posted by: Bogwitch (bogwitch)
Posted at: June 8th, 2016 08:37 pm (UTC)

I am worried they might - and on a low turn out too. Surely big decisions like this shouldn't be passed if the majority of the population doesn't express an opinion?

I don't know anyone IRL that's voting* remain, except me (*voted, I have already returned my postal vote).

Posted by: Bogwitch (bogwitch)
Posted at: June 8th, 2016 08:39 pm (UTC)

I would assume that we could go back in if we chose. There has been so many lies in this campaign.

Posted by: Heidi (welshgirl15)
Posted at: June 8th, 2016 08:57 pm (UTC)
DW: Angel

If you don't vote you have no right to complain that all politicians are just as bad as each other.

This! It bugs me so much when people complain but then don't vote.

While there's no reason that we couldn't join back into the EU, I think it would be difficult to get to the same level of agreements we have now. For example, I believe (I may be wrong) that in order to join now a country has to agree to adopt the Euro.

What I do hope is that, for example, if we vote to stay and then in a few years time with a different Prime Minister who wants to leave it goes to another vote. I definitely think that, unless something goes wildly wrong, this is a decision that should be stuck with for a generation.

Posted by: Zoefruitcake (zoefruitcake)
Posted at: June 9th, 2016 11:49 am (UTC)

I don't think it would be such a good deal for us if we were to rock up again, cap in hand and ask for admittance in 10 years.

I've already postal voted, remin for me

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